Comments on: Yellow Paper and Red Tape http://roughstonerolling.com/blog/2009/03/19/yellow-paper-and-red-tape/ Converting Oneself One Day at a Time - A Mormon Blog Thu, 07 May 2009 18:52:08 -0700 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1 By: synnove http://roughstonerolling.com/blog/2009/03/19/yellow-paper-and-red-tape/comment-page-1/#comment-22409 synnove Thu, 02 Apr 2009 18:10:30 +0000 http://roughstonerolling.com/blog/2009/03/19/yellow-paper-and-red-tape/#comment-22409 Encouraging reading, a bishop who was a bit careful here. It is so clear anybody on the other side can be organised later if one may put it like that, so one should definately keep options open, it does not mean to downgrade the deceased. Only life here is surely hard enough, so if a person is luckier next time around and meets somebody of the LDS faith , it would be easier for all to cope with life together if they can be sealed. Maybe it is time the rules are changed and a girl also may be sealed to both..then later times will decide..I think that would be the best option !!! But I fully agree with bishop on this one. In the end all will be sorted for all, and I am convinced if a person is sealed to a diseased husband who did not decide or manage to "make it" to the needed level, surely the person left behind will not be without a husband anyway so I am sure it would not make a difference, but it may as a starting point be a good idea to wait and see and maybe meet a new person...all may change in the millennium anyway! And I am sure we shall be in for some real surprises. One must keep as an absolute that God is absolutely 100% righteous, and no one will be left behind for silly system's sake for sure. Encouraging reading, a bishop who was a bit careful here. It is so clear anybody on the other side can be organised later if one may put it like that, so one should definately keep options open, it does not mean to downgrade the deceased. Only life here is surely hard enough, so if a person is luckier next time around and meets somebody of the LDS faith , it would be easier for all to cope with life together if they can be sealed. Maybe it is time the rules are changed and a girl also may be sealed to both..then later times will decide..I think that would be the best option !!! But I fully agree with bishop on this one.
In the end all will be sorted for all, and I am convinced if a person is sealed to a diseased husband who did not decide or manage to “make it” to the needed level, surely the person left behind will not be without a husband anyway so I am sure it would not make a difference, but it may as a starting point be a good idea to wait and see and maybe meet a new person…all may change in the millennium anyway! And I am sure we shall be in for some real surprises. One must keep as an absolute that God is absolutely 100% righteous, and no one will be left behind for silly system’s sake for sure.

]]> By: Nebraska http://roughstonerolling.com/blog/2009/03/19/yellow-paper-and-red-tape/comment-page-1/#comment-22385 Nebraska Wed, 01 Apr 2009 18:22:10 +0000 http://roughstonerolling.com/blog/2009/03/19/yellow-paper-and-red-tape/#comment-22385 Interesting post. Many women are frustrated that they are not allowed to have a temple sealing canceled at the time of their choosing. In the stake I am in we don't even submit the paperwork to the First Presidency unless the sister is engaged to get married and getting close to the date. I don't know the reasons other that they just get rejected otherwise. The cryptic messages about a motorcycle story have made me curious enough to Google it. Is there a lesson to be learned in that story? Interesting post. Many women are frustrated that they are not allowed to have a temple sealing canceled at the time of their choosing. In the stake I am in we don’t even submit the paperwork to the First Presidency unless the sister is engaged to get married and getting close to the date. I don’t know the reasons other that they just get rejected otherwise.

The cryptic messages about a motorcycle story have made me curious enough to Google it. Is there a lesson to be learned in that story?

]]> By: David http://roughstonerolling.com/blog/2009/03/19/yellow-paper-and-red-tape/comment-page-1/#comment-21510 David Sun, 22 Mar 2009 04:40:10 +0000 http://roughstonerolling.com/blog/2009/03/19/yellow-paper-and-red-tape/#comment-21510 xoxoxoxo, I think she would be entitled to full blessings eaither way. After all, until it's all settled she's really just sealed to the priesthood. KLC, To be honest, when I saw someone who knew her family read my blog it made me nervous. But, ultimately, it was a brother from my ward who suggested if she ever ran across it she might be hurt. So, no worries. :) Karron, Yeah, registered letters suck. I'm just glad my ex and I can actually talk in supportive tones now. Until recently, it wasn't like that. xoxoxoxo,

I think she would be entitled to full blessings eaither way. After all, until it’s all settled she’s really just sealed to the priesthood.

KLC,

To be honest, when I saw someone who knew her family read my blog it made me nervous. But, ultimately, it was a brother from my ward who suggested if she ever ran across it she might be hurt. So, no worries. :)

Karron,

Yeah, registered letters suck. I’m just glad my ex and I can actually talk in supportive tones now. Until recently, it wasn’t like that.

]]> By: Karron http://roughstonerolling.com/blog/2009/03/19/yellow-paper-and-red-tape/comment-page-1/#comment-20999 Karron Sat, 21 Mar 2009 00:04:10 +0000 http://roughstonerolling.com/blog/2009/03/19/yellow-paper-and-red-tape/#comment-20999 Divorce in the church is so complicated. As an almost ex, I can understand the frustrations of dealing with the ex. But, we managed to work things out and have made it for almost 38 years. It isn't easy, especially when people are encouraged to marry so young, especially girls. And when divorce happens, for whatever reason, there is always that person to deal with in your life. Generally, it is because of kids etc. And sometimes it is simply because the ex on one side or another can't or won't let go. Hostility of the one who was scorned so to speak, etc. can really muck up the works. That is why I am happy to see couples waiting longer to marry so they are sure their spouse is the right one for them. BTW, David, I get that urgy feeling in my stomach every time there is a registered letter. But I am always worried about custody issues with Crystal's birth mother. Divorce in the church is so complicated. As an almost ex, I can understand the frustrations of dealing with the ex. But, we managed to work things out and have made it for almost 38 years. It isn’t easy, especially when people are encouraged to marry so young, especially girls. And when divorce happens, for whatever reason, there is always that person to deal with in your life. Generally, it is because of kids etc. And sometimes it is simply because the ex on one side or another can’t or won’t let go. Hostility of the one who was scorned so to speak, etc. can really muck up the works.

That is why I am happy to see couples waiting longer to marry so they are sure their spouse is the right one for them.

BTW, David, I get that urgy feeling in my stomach every time there is a registered letter. But I am always worried about custody issues with Crystal’s birth mother.

]]> By: KLC http://roughstonerolling.com/blog/2009/03/19/yellow-paper-and-red-tape/comment-page-1/#comment-20945 KLC Fri, 20 Mar 2009 20:48:01 +0000 http://roughstonerolling.com/blog/2009/03/19/yellow-paper-and-red-tape/#comment-20945 David, I respect your decision about removing that information but I hope my comment didn't come across as judgemental. I found its inclusion appropriate. My response was about making a connection, nothing more. David, I respect your decision about removing that information but I hope my comment didn’t come across as judgemental. I found its inclusion appropriate. My response was about making a connection, nothing more.

]]> By: David http://roughstonerolling.com/blog/2009/03/19/yellow-paper-and-red-tape/comment-page-1/#comment-20875 David Fri, 20 Mar 2009 17:09:30 +0000 http://roughstonerolling.com/blog/2009/03/19/yellow-paper-and-red-tape/#comment-20875 KLC, Thank you for your thoughts, and for bringing home for me just what a small world this is. In respect, I've removed that portion of the blog entry. I don't want to needlessly hurt anyone just to illustrate a point. KLC,

Thank you for your thoughts, and for bringing home for me just what a small world this is. In respect, I’ve removed that portion of the blog entry. I don’t want to needlessly hurt anyone just to illustrate a point.

]]> By: KLC http://roughstonerolling.com/blog/2009/03/19/yellow-paper-and-red-tape/comment-page-1/#comment-20845 KLC Fri, 20 Mar 2009 15:08:45 +0000 http://roughstonerolling.com/blog/2009/03/19/yellow-paper-and-red-tape/#comment-20845 David, the young man killed on his motorcycle grew up in my ward, his mother still lives here. No matter how often I learn it, it still sobers me when I'm reminded how fragile our lives on earth are. David, the young man killed on his motorcycle grew up in my ward, his mother still lives here. No matter how often I learn it, it still sobers me when I’m reminded how fragile our lives on earth are.

]]> By: xoxoxoxo http://roughstonerolling.com/blog/2009/03/19/yellow-paper-and-red-tape/comment-page-1/#comment-20429 xoxoxoxo Thu, 19 Mar 2009 16:15:15 +0000 http://roughstonerolling.com/blog/2009/03/19/yellow-paper-and-red-tape/#comment-20429 Don't the "ex's" muck things up for what seems like forever? I "sigh" with ya buddy. BUT, just because she has been denied the ability to be sealed to him NOW (too young) doesn't mean that she'll always be denied and should she never re-marry, eventually she should be able to be sealed to him. I think it's important to focus on the concept that God won't "force" us to be sealed/married to someone for eternity if we'd be better partnered with someone else and that He really WILL work all things out to our good and happiness later IF we do all we can to be faithful and obedient here and now. Your ex's dead husband might not qualify for exaltation or even decide that he does not WANT exaltation at all and then your ex would be sealed to no one and unable to obtain a fullness of her own blessings. Rather than viewing it as inhibiting her free agency (and thus holding her back) during mortality, I see it as allowing her full access to ALL of her choices eternally when her options are perfectly clear later. Just my two cents. Don’t the “ex’s” muck things up for what seems like forever? I “sigh” with ya buddy.

BUT, just because she has been denied the ability to be sealed to him NOW (too young) doesn’t mean that she’ll always be denied and should she never re-marry, eventually she should be able to be sealed to him.

I think it’s important to focus on the concept that God won’t “force” us to be sealed/married to someone for eternity if we’d be better partnered with someone else and that He really WILL work all things out to our good and happiness later IF we do all we can to be faithful and obedient here and now. Your ex’s dead husband might not qualify for exaltation or even decide that he does not WANT exaltation at all and then your ex would be sealed to no one and unable to obtain a fullness of her own blessings.

Rather than viewing it as inhibiting her free agency (and thus holding her back) during mortality, I see it as allowing her full access to ALL of her choices eternally when her options are perfectly clear later. Just my two cents.

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